We want our Meat Loaf money back
"WE want our money back."
That is the demand from music fans left outraged by Sunday's "absolutely diabolical" concert by US rock star Meat Loaf.
Dozens of the 10,000 strong crowd, who shelled out £37.50 plus booking fee for tickets, walked out of Broadlands in Romsey early after the concert was plagued with poor weather and sound problems.
Now fans have rounded on the larger-than-life star, demanding refunds for their tickets.
Complaints about the show included not being able to hear the singer, best known for hits Dead Ringer for Love and Bat out of Hell, above his backing band and poor sound levels towards the back of the arena.
The Broadlands date was the fifth night of Meat Loaf's Casa de Carne European tour.
Since the concert, readers have besieged the Daily Echo's website to criticise the show, which was one of the most anticipated music events in Hampshire this summer.
Tracey Hurst, 42, from Hedge End, paid nearly £280 for seven tickets so she could take her son and his friends.
She said: "I go to see a lot of live music, and bad weather happens at a lot of outdoor gigs and doesn't cause that many problems. The fact is that the Meat Loaf concert was awful.
"We stayed until just after 10pm in the hope it would get better but it just got worse. The whole thing was a massive disappointment.
"I have now written to the event organisers demanding my money back, and I would encourage anyone else who was there to do the same. Why should we pay so much for such a terrible concert?"
Carl Bowman, 40, from Hythe, backed calls for ticket refunds.
He said: "There's no doubt about it, the show was absolutely diabolical. It wasn't Meat Loaf's fault, it was the sound system.
"We were stood in the middle of the crowd near the sound engineers and it was shockingly bad. I want my money back."
Peter Brown, 43, from Hamble, added: "Out of all the concerts I've seen it was worst by a long way.
"From a fan's point of view, there needs to be some redress because we went expecting a performance and got nothing. There should definitely be refunds."
But Meat Loaf's publicist David Cox said there were "no plans" to refund tickets.
He said: "Refunds would be a matter for the promoter but there are no plans to do so as far as I'm aware.
"A full show went ahead, and any unhappy feelings are just down to people's personal opinions."
Concert promoter Live Nation was unavailable for comment.
9:59am Wednesday 9th July 2008
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CommentPosted by: Bambi on 10:03am Wed 9 Jul 08
Good luck, idiots. No refunds for you I'm afraid. Typical Southampton attitude to live music, this. If it ain't some cover band playing the same old Golden Earring and ZZ Top classics, or a Marc Bolan tribute act, or the woefully over-rated Gerry Hearn band, this city just ain't interested. Oh, they'll give something else a try now and again (see: this story) but they get all dizzy and light-headed because it's the actua, original artist, and can't handle it, then start whining (see: this story)
"Wah! I didn't realise live music sounded different to the record! Wah! I want my money back! Wah!". No wonder hardly any bands want to play here
Good luck, idiots. No refunds for you I'm afraid. Typical Southampton attitude to live music, this. If it ain't some cover band playing the same old Golden Earring and ZZ Top classics, or a Marc Bolan tribute act, or the woefully over-rated Gerry Hearn band, this city just ain't interested. Oh, they'll give something else a try now and again (see: this story) but they get all dizzy and light-headed because it's the actua, original artist, and can't handle it, then start whining (see: this story)
"Wah! I didn't realise live music sounded different to the record! Wah! I want my money back! Wah!". No wonder hardly any bands want to play here
Posted by: Was Been on 10:14am Wed 9 Jul 08
Ha Ha - typical sour grapes from the Southampton Glitteratzi. Dont they realise that all these old hasbeens are "performing" just to rip you off.
They dont care about a few provincial fans and no chance of a refund.
Ha Ha - typical sour grapes from the Southampton Glitteratzi. Dont they realise that all these old hasbeens are "performing" just to rip you off.
They dont care about a few provincial fans and no chance of a refund.
Posted by: Pick your dummies up, Out of my pram on 10:25am Wed 9 Jul 08
Why don't all these whingers just blow off.
I went to the cinema last week and thought the film was sh1te, should I write to the Director,Producer the leading actor or Leisure World for a refund?
Grow up and put it down to experience. If you want to hit Meatloaf in the pocket don't buy any more of his rubbish records or merch.
Simple.
Why don't all these whingers just blow off.
I went to the cinema last week and thought the film was sh1te, should I write to the Director,Producer the leading actor or Leisure World for a refund?
Grow up and put it down to experience. If you want to hit Meatloaf in the pocket don't buy any more of his rubbish records or merch.
Simple.
Posted by: Deaf! Wot? on 10:30am Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote]Now fans have rounded on the larger-than-life star, demanding refunds for their tickets.[/quote]
Why? Wasn't his fault. Try the contract company that supplied the sound system and engineers.
Now fans have rounded on the larger-than-life star, demanding refunds for their tickets.
Why? Wasn't his fault. Try the contract company that supplied the sound system and engineers.
Posted by: ossiesaint, at the bar on 10:37am Wed 9 Jul 08
You cant have your meatloaf and eat it!
You cant have your meatloaf and eat it!
Posted by: Lolshire on 10:38am Wed 9 Jul 08
If i asked for money back for every crap performance i would see i would be rich.
Deal with it losers.
If i asked for money back for every crap performance i would see i would be rich.
Deal with it losers.
Posted by: Bambi on 10:44am Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Lolshire[/bold] wrote:
If i asked for money back for every crap performance i would see i would be rich.
Deal with it losers.[/quote] Same here. This is like asking for your £1 back because you didn't win the lottery
Lolshire wrote:
If i asked for money back for every crap performance i would see i would be rich.
Deal with it losers.
Same here. This is like asking for your £1 back because you didn't win the lottery
Posted by: Richie Rich on 10:46am Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote]Tracey Hurst, 42, from Hedge End, paid nearly £280 for seven tickets so she could take her son and his friends.[/quote]
More money than sense. lol.
Did your son's friends say "thank you very much you mug"?
Tracey Hurst, 42, from Hedge End, paid nearly £280 for seven tickets so she could take her son and his friends.
More money than sense. lol.
Did your son's friends say "thank you very much you mug"?
Posted by: Neat, Hampshire on 10:46am Wed 9 Jul 08
It was my first live gig in Southampton and I thought it was brilliant, am I the only one that enjoyed it? I was freezing cold but held on till the end as I was mesmerized, he was entertaining and in good humour, perhaps I was fortunate to be near the front in the middle, well done Meat, nice one.
It was my first live gig in Southampton and I thought it was brilliant, am I the only one that enjoyed it? I was freezing cold but held on till the end as I was mesmerized, he was entertaining and in good humour, perhaps I was fortunate to be near the front in the middle, well done Meat, nice one.
Posted by: Magic, Eastleigh on 10:54am Wed 9 Jul 08
Grow up you whingers - you can hardly say that dozens from a 10 thousand strong crowd is a mass exodus of any kind so stop moaning. Meat Loaf was brilliant - we had trouble with the sound, worked out it was from the wind so moved over to the left of the stage, no problems there and brilliant concert.
Grow up you whingers - you can hardly say that dozens from a 10 thousand strong crowd is a mass exodus of any kind so stop moaning. Meat Loaf was brilliant - we had trouble with the sound, worked out it was from the wind so moved over to the left of the stage, no problems there and brilliant concert.
Posted by: mr.southampton, Southampton on 11:00am Wed 9 Jul 08
So if you pay for a Saints ticket and the game is appauling, the players for whatever reason don't give 100% are you entitled to your money back?
So if you pay for a Saints ticket and the game is appauling, the players for whatever reason don't give 100% are you entitled to your money back?
Posted by: Really ? on 11:01am Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
Good luck, idiots. No refunds for you I'm afraid. Typical Southampton attitude to live music, this. If it ain't some cover band playing the same old Golden Earring and ZZ Top classics, or a Marc Bolan tribute act, or the woefully over-rated Gerry Hearn band, this city just ain't interested. Oh, they'll give something else a try now and again (see: this story) but they get all dizzy and light-headed because it's the actua, original artist, and can't handle it, then start whining (see: this story)
"Wah! I didn't realise live music sounded different to the record! Wah! I want my money back! Wah!". No wonder hardly any bands want to play here[/quote] Why is Gerry Hearn getting a slagging ? Personal is it ?
Bambi wrote:
Good luck, idiots. No refunds for you I'm afraid. Typical Southampton attitude to live music, this. If it ain't some cover band playing the same old Golden Earring and ZZ Top classics, or a Marc Bolan tribute act, or the woefully over-rated Gerry Hearn band, this city just ain't interested. Oh, they'll give something else a try now and again (see: this story) but they get all dizzy and light-headed because it's the actua, original artist, and can't handle it, then start whining (see: this story)
"Wah! I didn't realise live music sounded different to the record! Wah! I want my money back! Wah!". No wonder hardly any bands want to play here
Why is Gerry Hearn getting a slagging ? Personal is it ?
Posted by: Enjoyed, New Forest on 11:02am Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Neat[/bold] wrote:
It was my first live gig in Southampton and I thought it was brilliant, am I the only one that enjoyed it? I was freezing cold but held on till the end as I was mesmerized, he was entertaining and in good humour, perhaps I was fortunate to be near the front in the middle, well done Meat, nice one.[/quote] Well i enjoyed the show and so did my girlfriend, and many others that were around us. Well done Meat Loaf.
Neat wrote:
It was my first live gig in Southampton and I thought it was brilliant, am I the only one that enjoyed it? I was freezing cold but held on till the end as I was mesmerized, he was entertaining and in good humour, perhaps I was fortunate to be near the front in the middle, well done Meat, nice one.
Well i enjoyed the show and so did my girlfriend, and many others that were around us. Well done Meat Loaf.
Posted by: Dan Lowe, Ferndown on 11:10am Wed 9 Jul 08
You can't ask for your money back becasue it rained you bunch of morons. Meat Loaf or the promotor can't be held responsobel for the weather!!!!
As for the sound problems - what did you expect? It was outside. You're not going to get the same level of sound quality you get at an indoor event.
Get a life you buch of muppets.
You can't ask for your money back becasue it rained you bunch of morons. Meat Loaf or the promotor can't be held responsobel for the weather!!!!
As for the sound problems - what did you expect? It was outside. You're not going to get the same level of sound quality you get at an indoor event.
Get a life you buch of muppets.
Posted by: Rupert the bear on 11:16am Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Dan Lowe[/bold] wrote:
You can't ask for your money back becasue it rained you bunch of morons. Meat Loaf or the promotor can't be held responsobel for the weather!!!! As for the sound problems - what did you expect? It was outside. You're not going to get the same level of sound quality you get at an indoor event. Get a life you buch of muppets.[/quote] Wow... could they get their money back due to the inability to spell?
Dan Lowe wrote:
You can't ask for your money back becasue it rained you bunch of morons. Meat Loaf or the promotor can't be held responsobel for the weather!!!! As for the sound problems - what did you expect? It was outside. You're not going to get the same level of sound quality you get at an indoor event. Get a life you buch of muppets.
Wow... could they get their money back due to the inability to spell?
Posted by: Really ? on 11:18am Wed 9 Jul 08
Oh so it is personal...teach you to play at one time did he ?
And surely that's up to him, if he is content to play in his own back yard, what the hell has it got to do with you ?
The same could be said for Le God...
I've only seen Gerry play once, very accomplished and technical if you like that sort of thing, I don't particularly but each to their own.
I fail to see how one man can be held responsible for holding back Soton's music scene...it never had one to start with!
Perfect Alibi fan then are we ?
Oh so it is personal...teach you to play at one time did he ?
And surely that's up to him, if he is content to play in his own back yard, what the hell has it got to do with you ?
The same could be said for Le God...
I've only seen Gerry play once, very accomplished and technical if you like that sort of thing, I don't particularly but each to their own.
I fail to see how one man can be held responsible for holding back Soton's music scene...it never had one to start with!
Perfect Alibi fan then are we ?
Posted by: Bambi on 11:26am Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Really ?[/bold] wrote:
Oh so it is personal...teach you to play at one time did he ?
And surely that's up to him, if he is content to play in his own back
yard, what the hell has it got to do with you ?
The same could be said for Le God...
I've only seen Gerry play once, very accomplished and technical if you
like that sort of thing, I don't particularly but each to their own.
I fail to see how one man can be held responsible for holding back
Soton's music scene...it never had one to start with!
Perfect Alibi fan then are we ?[/quote] Heh heh, nope, that whole covers-band scene in this town is depressingly mundane, I have nothing to do with it. Hearing someone drag out yet another cover of "Enter Sandman" isn't really my idea of live music. And that's just about all Gerry's good for. Nope, he never taught me, but from what I hear, he doesn't actually do much teaching, just shows off how fast he can play a scale with as many pinched harmonics as he can manage on every note. Yep, I agree, very accomplished and technical, but beyond that: nothing. An opinion shared by quite a few people who have been in The Gerry Hearn Band(tm) over the years, too.
You're right, there never was much of a scene here. Largely due to the Desperate Bicycles and the Perfect Alibis of this world, all doing the exact same thing, and doing it so cheap, and dragging in crowds, so the venues never really bothered wondering if there was anything more than dodgy rock standard covers bands. He alone isn't responsible, I never said that, but he played his part. Given the choice between having a nice, safe, Gerry Hearn Band(tm) performance, bringing in the usual crowd, and trying something new, most venues will plump for the former, sadly. Hence, no creativity in this town. Thank god for the Joiners, is what I say
Really ? wrote:
Oh so it is personal...teach you to play at one time did he ?
And surely that's up to him, if he is content to play in his own back
yard, what the hell has it got to do with you ?
The same could be said for Le God...
I've only seen Gerry play once, very accomplished and technical if you
like that sort of thing, I don't particularly but each to their own.
I fail to see how one man can be held responsible for holding back
Soton's music scene...it never had one to start with!
Perfect Alibi fan then are we ?
Heh heh, nope, that whole covers-band scene in this town is depressingly mundane, I have nothing to do with it. Hearing someone drag out yet another cover of "Enter Sandman" isn't really my idea of live music. And that's just about all Gerry's good for. Nope, he never taught me, but from what I hear, he doesn't actually do much teaching, just shows off how fast he can play a scale with as many pinched harmonics as he can manage on every note. Yep, I agree, very accomplished and technical, but beyond that: nothing. An opinion shared by quite a few people who have been in The Gerry Hearn Band(tm) over the years, too.
You're right, there never was much of a scene here. Largely due to the Desperate Bicycles and the Perfect Alibis of this world, all doing the exact same thing, and doing it so cheap, and dragging in crowds, so the venues never really bothered wondering if there was anything more than dodgy rock standard covers bands. He alone isn't responsible, I never said that, but he played his part. Given the choice between having a nice, safe, Gerry Hearn Band(tm) performance, bringing in the usual crowd, and trying something new, most venues will plump for the former, sadly. Hence, no creativity in this town. Thank god for the Joiners, is what I say
Posted by: Iain, Lordshill on 11:35am Wed 9 Jul 08
I didn't go to the concert, and as a result find that I've missed out on three days worth of whingeing. Can I have some money?
I didn't go to the concert, and as a result find that I've missed out on three days worth of whingeing. Can I have some money?
Posted by: Really ? on 11:53am Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Really ?[/bold] wrote:
Oh so it is personal...teach you to play at one time did he ?
And surely that's up to him, if he is content to play in his own back
yard, what the hell has it got to do with you ?
The same could be said for Le God...
I've only seen Gerry play once, very accomplished and technical if you
like that sort of thing, I don't particularly but each to their own.
I fail to see how one man can be held responsible for holding back
Soton's music scene...it never had one to start with!
Perfect Alibi fan then are we ?[/quote] Heh heh, nope, that whole covers-band scene in this town is depressingly mundane, I have nothing to do with it. Hearing someone drag out yet another cover of "Enter Sandman" isn't really my idea of live music. And that's just about all Gerry's good for. Nope, he never taught me, but from what I hear, he doesn't actually do much teaching, just shows off how fast he can play a scale with as many pinched harmonics as he can manage on every note. Yep, I agree, very accomplished and technical, but beyond that: nothing. An opinion shared by quite a few people who have been in The Gerry Hearn Band(tm) over the years, too.
You're right, there never was much of a scene here. Largely due to the Desperate Bicycles and the Perfect Alibis of this world, all doing the exact same thing, and doing it so cheap, and dragging in crowds, so the venues never really bothered wondering if there was anything more than dodgy rock standard covers bands. He alone isn't responsible, I never said that, but he played his part. Given the choice between having a nice, safe, Gerry Hearn Band(tm) performance, bringing in the usual crowd, and trying something new, most venues will plump for the former, sadly. Hence, no creativity in this town. Thank god for the Joiners, is what I say[/quote] Earlier post got deleted...I wonder why :-) Let's try again
Yes the Joiners stands alone as a beacon of hope in the musical wilderness of Southampton...
Agreed on the Perfect Alibi comment, desparately talentless with the exception of Carly...but I can assure you, they ain't cheap...vastly overpaid and underwhelming on a grand scale.
There are a number of acts that started in Southampton and have gone on to receive European recognition and they are not cover's bands.... heard of Jadis ? Steve Thorne ? Galahad ? The mighty Delays ?
In essence, its the lack of good venues that are the root of the problem, not a lack of talent or creativity which does exist, it just has no where to demonstrate itself and yes, venues will go for the easy sell every time...its about getting money through the door just to survive in this econmic climate.
You make the point about bands performing cheaply, they have to pitch their fee at an affordable level otherwise it becomes unsustainable for the venue or promoter, its just good business sense but I take your point that it may be strangling creativity.
Bambi wrote:
Really ? wrote:
Oh so it is personal...teach you to play at one time did he ?
And surely that's up to him, if he is content to play in his own back
yard, what the hell has it got to do with you ?
The same could be said for Le God...
I've only seen Gerry play once, very accomplished and technical if you
like that sort of thing, I don't particularly but each to their own.
I fail to see how one man can be held responsible for holding back
Soton's music scene...it never had one to start with!
Perfect Alibi fan then are we ?
Heh heh, nope, that whole covers-band scene in this town is depressingly mundane, I have nothing to do with it. Hearing someone drag out yet another cover of "Enter Sandman" isn't really my idea of live music. And that's just about all Gerry's good for. Nope, he never taught me, but from what I hear, he doesn't actually do much teaching, just shows off how fast he can play a scale with as many pinched harmonics as he can manage on every note. Yep, I agree, very accomplished and technical, but beyond that: nothing. An opinion shared by quite a few people who have been in The Gerry Hearn Band(tm) over the years, too.
You're right, there never was much of a scene here. Largely due to the Desperate Bicycles and the Perfect Alibis of this world, all doing the exact same thing, and doing it so cheap, and dragging in crowds, so the venues never really bothered wondering if there was anything more than dodgy rock standard covers bands. He alone isn't responsible, I never said that, but he played his part. Given the choice between having a nice, safe, Gerry Hearn Band(tm) performance, bringing in the usual crowd, and trying something new, most venues will plump for the former, sadly. Hence, no creativity in this town. Thank god for the Joiners, is what I say
Earlier post got deleted...I wonder why :-) Let's try again
Yes the Joiners stands alone as a beacon of hope in the musical wilderness of Southampton...
Agreed on the Perfect Alibi comment, desparately talentless with the exception of Carly...but I can assure you, they ain't cheap...vastly overpaid and underwhelming on a grand scale.
There are a number of acts that started in Southampton and have gone on to receive European recognition and they are not cover's bands.... heard of Jadis ? Steve Thorne ? Galahad ? The mighty Delays ?
In essence, its the lack of good venues that are the root of the problem, not a lack of talent or creativity which does exist, it just has no where to demonstrate itself and yes, venues will go for the easy sell every time...its about getting money through the door just to survive in this econmic climate.
You make the point about bands performing cheaply, they have to pitch their fee at an affordable level otherwise it becomes unsustainable for the venue or promoter, its just good business sense but I take your point that it may be strangling creativity.
Posted by: Eileen, Romsey on 11:55am Wed 9 Jul 08
I watched Meatloaf Live (Three Bats Out of Hell) on TMF on Saturdy night and although I couldn't afford to go Sunday and had to be content to listen to it from home it didn't sound that different. Live music isn't the same as recorded music.
I watched Meatloaf Live (Three Bats Out of Hell) on TMF on Saturdy night and although I couldn't afford to go Sunday and had to be content to listen to it from home it didn't sound that different. Live music isn't the same as recorded music.
Posted by: spotburst, southampton on 11:59am Wed 9 Jul 08
re: tribute bands - yup there's too many. I don't mind so much (I guess they're entertaining) but as readers have noted, anything other than covers bands are very much in the minority - shame on promoters for not taking small risks now and again. As for the Meatloaf fiasco, it sounds to me like there was problems with nature vs sound system. It happens y'know - luck of the draw.
re: tribute bands - yup there's too many. I don't mind so much (I guess they're entertaining) but as readers have noted, anything other than covers bands are very much in the minority - shame on promoters for not taking small risks now and again. As for the Meatloaf fiasco, it sounds to me like there was problems with nature vs sound system. It happens y'know - luck of the draw.
Posted by: Bambi on 12:10pm Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Really ?[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Really ?[/bold] wrote:
Oh so it is personal...teach you to play at one time did he ?
And surely that's up to him, if he is content to play in his own back
yard, what the hell has it got to do with you ?
The same could be said for Le God...
I've only seen Gerry play once, very accomplished and technical if you
like that sort of thing, I don't particularly but each to their own.
I fail to see how one man can be held responsible for holding back
Soton's music scene...it never had one to start with!
Perfect Alibi fan then are we ?[/quote] Heh heh, nope, that whole
covers-band scene in this town is depressingly mundane, I have nothing
to do with it. Hearing someone drag out yet another cover of "Enter
Sandman" isn't really my idea of live music. And that's just about all
Gerry's good for. Nope, he never taught me, but from what I hear, he
doesn't actually do much teaching, just shows off how fast he can play
a scale with as many pinched harmonics as he can manage on every note.
Yep, I agree, very accomplished and technical, but beyond that:
nothing. An opinion shared by quite a few people who have been in The
Gerry Hearn Band(tm) over the years, too.
You're right, there never was much of a scene here. Largely due to the
Desperate Bicycles and the Perfect Alibis of this world, all doing the
exact same thing, and doing it so cheap, and dragging in crowds, so the
venues never really bothered wondering if there was anything more than
dodgy rock standard covers bands. He alone isn't responsible, I never
said that, but he played his part. Given the choice between having a
nice, safe, Gerry Hearn Band(tm) performance, bringing in the usual
crowd, and trying something new, most venues will plump for the former,
sadly. Hence, no creativity in this town. Thank god for the Joiners, is
what I say[/quote] Earlier post got deleted...I wonder why :-) Let's
try again
Yes the Joiners stands alone as a beacon of hope in the musical
wilderness of Southampton...
Agreed on the Perfect Alibi comment, desparately talentless with the
exception of Carly...but I can assure you, they ain't cheap...vastly
overpaid and underwhelming on a grand scale.
There are a number of acts that started in Southampton and have gone on
to receive European recognition and they are not cover's bands....
heard of Jadis ? Steve Thorne ? Galahad ? The mighty Delays ?
In essence, its the lack of good venues that are the root of the
problem, not a lack of talent or creativity which does exist, it just
has no where to demonstrate itself and yes, venues will go for the easy
sell every time...its about getting money through the door just to
survive in this econmic climate. You make the point about bands
performing cheaply, they have to pitch their fee at an affordable level
otherwise it becomes unsustainable for the venue or promoter, its just
good business sense but I take your point that it may be strangling
creativity.
[/quote] Heh heh selective censorship at work again, eh!
Yeh, you're right, it's largely down to a lack of venues that we're suffering. But also, the lack of interest from fans. I've felt really embarrassed in the past, going to see gigs in this town, where hardly anyone bothers to show up. I've had at least one band tell me they'll never come back here simply because nobody bothered to show up. I guess the lack of a decent scene here is down to audience apathy as much as anything else. But we do need a better venue. Something like the Wedge would be good. Bigger than the Joiners, not as big as the Guildhall. Then, maybe, we might start making it onto some decent acts' tour itinerary
Really ? wrote:
Bambi wrote:
Really ? wrote:
Oh so it is personal...teach you to play at one time did he ?
And surely that's up to him, if he is content to play in his own back
yard, what the hell has it got to do with you ?
The same could be said for Le God...
I've only seen Gerry play once, very accomplished and technical if you
like that sort of thing, I don't particularly but each to their own.
I fail to see how one man can be held responsible for holding back
Soton's music scene...it never had one to start with!
Perfect Alibi fan then are we ?
Heh heh, nope, that whole
covers-band scene in this town is depressingly mundane, I have nothing
to do with it. Hearing someone drag out yet another cover of "Enter
Sandman" isn't really my idea of live music. And that's just about all
Gerry's good for. Nope, he never taught me, but from what I hear, he
doesn't actually do much teaching, just shows off how fast he can play
a scale with as many pinched harmonics as he can manage on every note.
Yep, I agree, very accomplished and technical, but beyond that:
nothing. An opinion shared by quite a few people who have been in The
Gerry Hearn Band(tm) over the years, too.
You're right, there never was much of a scene here. Largely due to the
Desperate Bicycles and the Perfect Alibis of this world, all doing the
exact same thing, and doing it so cheap, and dragging in crowds, so the
venues never really bothered wondering if there was anything more than
dodgy rock standard covers bands. He alone isn't responsible, I never
said that, but he played his part. Given the choice between having a
nice, safe, Gerry Hearn Band(tm) performance, bringing in the usual
crowd, and trying something new, most venues will plump for the former,
sadly. Hence, no creativity in this town. Thank god for the Joiners, is
what I say
Earlier post got deleted...I wonder why :-) Let's
try again
Yes the Joiners stands alone as a beacon of hope in the musical
wilderness of Southampton...
Agreed on the Perfect Alibi comment, desparately talentless with the
exception of Carly...but I can assure you, they ain't cheap...vastly
overpaid and underwhelming on a grand scale.
There are a number of acts that started in Southampton and have gone on
to receive European recognition and they are not cover's bands....
heard of Jadis ? Steve Thorne ? Galahad ? The mighty Delays ?
In essence, its the lack of good venues that are the root of the
problem, not a lack of talent or creativity which does exist, it just
has no where to demonstrate itself and yes, venues will go for the easy
sell every time...its about getting money through the door just to
survive in this econmic climate. You make the point about bands
performing cheaply, they have to pitch their fee at an affordable level
otherwise it becomes unsustainable for the venue or promoter, its just
good business sense but I take your point that it may be strangling
creativity.
Heh heh selective censorship at work again, eh!
Yeh, you're right, it's largely down to a lack of venues that we're suffering. But also, the lack of interest from fans. I've felt really embarrassed in the past, going to see gigs in this town, where hardly anyone bothers to show up. I've had at least one band tell me they'll never come back here simply because nobody bothered to show up. I guess the lack of a decent scene here is down to audience apathy as much as anything else. But we do need a better venue. Something like the Wedge would be good. Bigger than the Joiners, not as big as the Guildhall. Then, maybe, we might start making it onto some decent acts' tour itinerary
Posted by: James May For PM, By the river chillin' in the sun on 12:12pm Wed 9 Jul 08
Isn't craig David from southampton?.
Have to agree not enough venues for new bands but you can blame the Mayflower for that as well. Ever since it reopened it rarly if at all had a group,band, or whatever play there as the Gaumont the beatles genesis, Bowie etc etc played it but the new management only want musicals or pantos now. What "big" group is going to bother playing to a few hundred at the Guildhall or the Brook?.
as for refunds not likely. I went to see the Foo Fighters at Wembley Stadium in June paid £100.00 for tickets and left after an hour because the sound was awful but i would not expect a refund.
Isn't craig David from southampton?.
Have to agree not enough venues for new bands but you can blame the Mayflower for that as well. Ever since it reopened it rarly if at all had a group,band, or whatever play there as the Gaumont the beatles genesis, Bowie etc etc played it but the new management only want musicals or pantos now. What "big" group is going to bother playing to a few hundred at the Guildhall or the Brook?.
as for refunds not likely. I went to see the Foo Fighters at Wembley Stadium in June paid £100.00 for tickets and left after an hour because the sound was awful but i would not expect a refund.
Posted by: James May For PM, By the river chillin' in the sun on 12:13pm Wed 9 Jul 08
Isn't craig David from southampton?.
Have to agree not enough venues for new bands but you can blame the Mayflower for that as well. Ever since it reopened it rarly if at all had a group,band, or whatever play there as the Gaumont the beatles genesis, Bowie etc etc played it but the new management only want musicals or pantos now. What "big" group is going to bother playing to a few hundred at the Guildhall or the Brook?.
as for refunds not likely. I went to see the Foo Fighters at Wembley Stadium in June paid £100.00 for tickets and left after an hour because the sound was awful but i would not expect a refund.
Isn't craig David from southampton?.
Have to agree not enough venues for new bands but you can blame the Mayflower for that as well. Ever since it reopened it rarly if at all had a group,band, or whatever play there as the Gaumont the beatles genesis, Bowie etc etc played it but the new management only want musicals or pantos now. What "big" group is going to bother playing to a few hundred at the Guildhall or the Brook?.
as for refunds not likely. I went to see the Foo Fighters at Wembley Stadium in June paid £100.00 for tickets and left after an hour because the sound was awful but i would not expect a refund.
Posted by: Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton on 12:20pm Wed 9 Jul 08
Thank god the idiots have stopped posting. I was about to break my silnece on this issue and have a go at the pathetic whingers, but it's actually turned into a decent conversation. Awesome. Maybe Southampton's lack of music scene will be adressed in tomorrow's Echo and we'll get this city back on the musical map.
There's a fair amount of decent venues (Brook, Talking Heads, Joiners, Soul Cellar), and a talented bunch of bands, why we haven't got a burgeoning scene to rival Sheffield or even Liverpool is beyond me.
Thank god the idiots have stopped posting. I was about to break my silnece on this issue and have a go at the pathetic whingers, but it's actually turned into a decent conversation. Awesome. Maybe Southampton's lack of music scene will be adressed in tomorrow's Echo and we'll get this city back on the musical map.
There's a fair amount of decent venues (Brook, Talking Heads, Joiners, Soul Cellar), and a talented bunch of bands, why we haven't got a burgeoning scene to rival Sheffield or even Liverpool is beyond me.
Posted by: Kim on 12:22pm Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Really ?[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Really ?[/bold] wrote:
Oh so it is personal...teach you to play at one time did he ?
And surely that's up to him, if he is content to play in his own back
yard, what the hell has it got to do with you ?
The same could be said for Le God...
I've only seen Gerry play once, very accomplished and technical if you
like that sort of thing, I don't particularly but each to their own.
I fail to see how one man can be held responsible for holding back
Soton's music scene...it never had one to start with!
Perfect Alibi fan then are we ?[/quote] Heh heh, nope, that whole
covers-band scene in this town is depressingly mundane, I have nothing
to do with it. Hearing someone drag out yet another cover of "Enter
Sandman" isn't really my idea of live music. And that's just about all
Gerry's good for. Nope, he never taught me, but from what I hear, he
doesn't actually do much teaching, just shows off how fast he can play
a scale with as many pinched harmonics as he can manage on every note.
Yep, I agree, very accomplished and technical, but beyond that:
nothing. An opinion shared by quite a few people who have been in The
Gerry Hearn Band(tm) over the years, too.
You're right, there never was much of a scene here. Largely due to the
Desperate Bicycles and the Perfect Alibis of this world, all doing the
exact same thing, and doing it so cheap, and dragging in crowds, so the
venues never really bothered wondering if there was anything more than
dodgy rock standard covers bands. He alone isn't responsible, I never
said that, but he played his part. Given the choice between having a
nice, safe, Gerry Hearn Band(tm) performance, bringing in the usual
crowd, and trying something new, most venues will plump for the former,
sadly. Hence, no creativity in this town. Thank god for the Joiners, is
what I say[/quote] Earlier post got deleted...I wonder why :-) Let's
try again
Yes the Joiners stands alone as a beacon of hope in the musical
wilderness of Southampton...
Agreed on the Perfect Alibi comment, desparately talentless with the
exception of Carly...but I can assure you, they ain't cheap...vastly
overpaid and underwhelming on a grand scale.
There are a number of acts that started in Southampton and have gone on
to receive European recognition and they are not cover's bands....
heard of Jadis ? Steve Thorne ? Galahad ? The mighty Delays ?
In essence, its the lack of good venues that are the root of the
problem, not a lack of talent or creativity which does exist, it just
has no where to demonstrate itself and yes, venues will go for the easy
sell every time...its about getting money through the door just to
survive in this econmic climate. You make the point about bands
performing cheaply, they have to pitch their fee at an affordable level
otherwise it becomes unsustainable for the venue or promoter, its just
good business sense but I take your point that it may be strangling
creativity.
[/quote] Heh heh selective censorship at work again, eh!
Yeh, you're right, it's largely down to a lack of venues that we're suffering. But also, the lack of interest from fans. I've felt really embarrassed in the past, going to see gigs in this town, where hardly anyone bothers to show up. I've had at least one band tell me they'll never come back here simply because nobody bothered to show up. I guess the lack of a decent scene here is down to audience apathy as much as anything else. But we do need a better venue. Something like the Wedge would be good. Bigger than the Joiners, not as big as the Guildhall. Then, maybe, we might start making it onto some decent acts' tour itinerary[/quote] Nice to see we agree.... we didn't on the other board... funny how commonality can bring people together....
Guess what, I'm not really really ?
Anyway back to our civilised discussion, to be fair to The Brook, my old adversary, they have Paul Gilbert coming in November, now that is something special and I am suitably impressed !
From Kim, Agent from hell, apparently ! (Don't believe all you read, I don't just do tribute bands !! :-))
Bambi wrote:
Really ? wrote:
Bambi wrote:
Really ? wrote:
Oh so it is personal...teach you to play at one time did he ?
And surely that's up to him, if he is content to play in his own back
yard, what the hell has it got to do with you ?
The same could be said for Le God...
I've only seen Gerry play once, very accomplished and technical if you
like that sort of thing, I don't particularly but each to their own.
I fail to see how one man can be held responsible for holding back
Soton's music scene...it never had one to start with!
Perfect Alibi fan then are we ?
Heh heh, nope, that whole
covers-band scene in this town is depressingly mundane, I have nothing
to do with it. Hearing someone drag out yet another cover of "Enter
Sandman" isn't really my idea of live music. And that's just about all
Gerry's good for. Nope, he never taught me, but from what I hear, he
doesn't actually do much teaching, just shows off how fast he can play
a scale with as many pinched harmonics as he can manage on every note.
Yep, I agree, very accomplished and technical, but beyond that:
nothing. An opinion shared by quite a few people who have been in The
Gerry Hearn Band(tm) over the years, too.
You're right, there never was much of a scene here. Largely due to the
Desperate Bicycles and the Perfect Alibis of this world, all doing the
exact same thing, and doing it so cheap, and dragging in crowds, so the
venues never really bothered wondering if there was anything more than
dodgy rock standard covers bands. He alone isn't responsible, I never
said that, but he played his part. Given the choice between having a
nice, safe, Gerry Hearn Band(tm) performance, bringing in the usual
crowd, and trying something new, most venues will plump for the former,
sadly. Hence, no creativity in this town. Thank god for the Joiners, is
what I say
Earlier post got deleted...I wonder why :-) Let's
try again
Yes the Joiners stands alone as a beacon of hope in the musical
wilderness of Southampton...
Agreed on the Perfect Alibi comment, desparately talentless with the
exception of Carly...but I can assure you, they ain't cheap...vastly
overpaid and underwhelming on a grand scale.
There are a number of acts that started in Southampton and have gone on
to receive European recognition and they are not cover's bands....
heard of Jadis ? Steve Thorne ? Galahad ? The mighty Delays ?
In essence, its the lack of good venues that are the root of the
problem, not a lack of talent or creativity which does exist, it just
has no where to demonstrate itself and yes, venues will go for the easy
sell every time...its about getting money through the door just to
survive in this econmic climate. You make the point about bands
performing cheaply, they have to pitch their fee at an affordable level
otherwise it becomes unsustainable for the venue or promoter, its just
good business sense but I take your point that it may be strangling
creativity.
Heh heh selective censorship at work again, eh!
Yeh, you're right, it's largely down to a lack of venues that we're suffering. But also, the lack of interest from fans. I've felt really embarrassed in the past, going to see gigs in this town, where hardly anyone bothers to show up. I've had at least one band tell me they'll never come back here simply because nobody bothered to show up. I guess the lack of a decent scene here is down to audience apathy as much as anything else. But we do need a better venue. Something like the Wedge would be good. Bigger than the Joiners, not as big as the Guildhall. Then, maybe, we might start making it onto some decent acts' tour itinerary
Nice to see we agree.... we didn't on the other board... funny how commonality can bring people together....
Guess what, I'm not really really ?
Anyway back to our civilised discussion, to be fair to The Brook, my old adversary, they have Paul Gilbert coming in November, now that is something special and I am suitably impressed !
From Kim, Agent from hell, apparently ! (Don't believe all you read, I don't just do tribute bands !! :-))
Posted by: Mel Garlick, southampton on 12:26pm Wed 9 Jul 08
At one point I was right by a speaker and the sound quality was good from the band and the other singers. However Meatloaf was not able to project his voice or be in tune. Also his daughter Pearle preformed earlier on that evening and that sounded great at the back of the arena.
At one point I was right by a speaker and the sound quality was good from the band and the other singers. However Meatloaf was not able to project his voice or be in tune. Also his daughter Pearle preformed earlier on that evening and that sounded great at the back of the arena.
Posted by: Kim on 12:27pm Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Really ?[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Really ?[/bold] wrote:
Oh so it is personal...teach you to play at one time did he ?
And surely that\'s up to him, if he is content to play in his own back
yard, what the hell has it got to do with you ?
The same could be said for Le God...
I\'ve only seen Gerry play once, very accomplished and technical if you
like that sort of thing, I don\'t particularly but each to their own.
I fail to see how one man can be held responsible for holding back
Soton\'s music scene...it never had one to start with!
Perfect Alibi fan then are we ?[/quote] Heh heh, nope, that whole
covers-band scene in this town is depressingly mundane, I have nothing
to do with it. Hearing someone drag out yet another cover of \"Enter
Sandman\" isn\'t really my idea of live music. And that\'s just about all
Gerry\'s good for. Nope, he never taught me, but from what I hear, he
doesn\'t actually do much teaching, just shows off how fast he can play
a scale with as many pinched harmonics as he can manage on every note.
Yep, I agree, very accomplished and technical, but beyond that:
nothing. An opinion shared by quite a few people who have been in The
Gerry Hearn Band(tm) over the years, too.
You\'re right, there never was much of a scene here. Largely due to the
Desperate Bicycles and the Perfect Alibis of this world, all doing the
exact same thing, and doing it so cheap, and dragging in crowds, so the
venues never really bothered wondering if there was anything more than
dodgy rock standard covers bands. He alone isn\'t responsible, I never
said that, but he played his part. Given the choice between having a
nice, safe, Gerry Hearn Band(tm) performance, bringing in the usual
crowd, and trying something new, most venues will plump for the former,
sadly. Hence, no creativity in this town. Thank god for the Joiners, is
what I say[/quote] Earlier post got deleted...I wonder why :-) Let\'s
try again
Yes the Joiners stands alone as a beacon of hope in the musical
wilderness of Southampton...
Agreed on the Perfect Alibi comment, desparately talentless with the
exception of Carly...but I can assure you, they ain\'t cheap...vastly
overpaid and underwhelming on a grand scale.
There are a number of acts that started in Southampton and have gone on
to receive European recognition and they are not cover\'s bands....
heard of Jadis ? Steve Thorne ? Galahad ? The mighty Delays ?
In essence, its the lack of good venues that are the root of the
problem, not a lack of talent or creativity which does exist, it just
has no where to demonstrate itself and yes, venues will go for the easy
sell every time...its about getting money through the door just to
survive in this econmic climate. You make the point about bands
performing cheaply, they have to pitch their fee at an affordable level
otherwise it becomes unsustainable for the venue or promoter, its just
good business sense but I take your point that it may be strangling
creativity.
[/quote] Heh heh selective censorship at work again, eh!
Yeh, you\'re right, it\'s largely down to a lack of venues that we\'re suffering. But also, the lack of interest from fans. I\'ve felt really embarrassed in the past, going to see gigs in this town, where hardly anyone bothers to show up. I\'ve had at least one band tell me they\'ll never come back here simply because nobody bothered to show up. I guess the lack of a decent scene here is down to audience apathy as much as anything else. But we do need a better venue. Something like the Wedge would be good. Bigger than the Joiners, not as big as the Guildhall. Then, maybe, we might start making it onto some decent acts\' tour itinerary[/quote] Nice to see we agree.... we didn't on the other board... funny how commonality can bring people together....
Guess what, I'm not really really ? Thoughts of 'Kipper' and 'Done Like' are a million miles from my thoughts, honestly !
Anyway back to our civilised discussion, to be fair to The Brook, my old adversary, they have Paul Gilbert coming in November, now that is something special and I am suitably impressed !
From Kim, Agent from hell, apparently ! (Don't believe all you read, I don't just do tribute bands !! :-))
Bambi wrote:
Really ? wrote:
Bambi wrote:
Really ? wrote:
Oh so it is personal...teach you to play at one time did he ?
And surely that\'s up to him, if he is content to play in his own back
yard, what the hell has it got to do with you ?
The same could be said for Le God...
I\'ve only seen Gerry play once, very accomplished and technical if you
like that sort of thing, I don\'t particularly but each to their own.
I fail to see how one man can be held responsible for holding back
Soton\'s music scene...it never had one to start with!
Perfect Alibi fan then are we ?
Heh heh, nope, that whole
covers-band scene in this town is depressingly mundane, I have nothing
to do with it. Hearing someone drag out yet another cover of \"Enter
Sandman\" isn\'t really my idea of live music. And that\'s just about all
Gerry\'s good for. Nope, he never taught me, but from what I hear, he
doesn\'t actually do much teaching, just shows off how fast he can play
a scale with as many pinched harmonics as he can manage on every note.
Yep, I agree, very accomplished and technical, but beyond that:
nothing. An opinion shared by quite a few people who have been in The
Gerry Hearn Band(tm) over the years, too.
You\'re right, there never was much of a scene here. Largely due to the
Desperate Bicycles and the Perfect Alibis of this world, all doing the
exact same thing, and doing it so cheap, and dragging in crowds, so the
venues never really bothered wondering if there was anything more than
dodgy rock standard covers bands. He alone isn\'t responsible, I never
said that, but he played his part. Given the choice between having a
nice, safe, Gerry Hearn Band(tm) performance, bringing in the usual
crowd, and trying something new, most venues will plump for the former,
sadly. Hence, no creativity in this town. Thank god for the Joiners, is
what I say
Earlier post got deleted...I wonder why :-) Let\'s
try again
Yes the Joiners stands alone as a beacon of hope in the musical
wilderness of Southampton...
Agreed on the Perfect Alibi comment, desparately talentless with the
exception of Carly...but I can assure you, they ain\'t cheap...vastly
overpaid and underwhelming on a grand scale.
There are a number of acts that started in Southampton and have gone on
to receive European recognition and they are not cover\'s bands....
heard of Jadis ? Steve Thorne ? Galahad ? The mighty Delays ?
In essence, its the lack of good venues that are the root of the
problem, not a lack of talent or creativity which does exist, it just
has no where to demonstrate itself and yes, venues will go for the easy
sell every time...its about getting money through the door just to
survive in this econmic climate. You make the point about bands
performing cheaply, they have to pitch their fee at an affordable level
otherwise it becomes unsustainable for the venue or promoter, its just
good business sense but I take your point that it may be strangling
creativity.
Heh heh selective censorship at work again, eh!
Yeh, you\'re right, it\'s largely down to a lack of venues that we\'re suffering. But also, the lack of interest from fans. I\'ve felt really embarrassed in the past, going to see gigs in this town, where hardly anyone bothers to show up. I\'ve had at least one band tell me they\'ll never come back here simply because nobody bothered to show up. I guess the lack of a decent scene here is down to audience apathy as much as anything else. But we do need a better venue. Something like the Wedge would be good. Bigger than the Joiners, not as big as the Guildhall. Then, maybe, we might start making it onto some decent acts\' tour itinerary
Nice to see we agree.... we didn't on the other board... funny how commonality can bring people together....
Guess what, I'm not really really ? Thoughts of 'Kipper' and 'Done Like' are a million miles from my thoughts, honestly !
Anyway back to our civilised discussion, to be fair to The Brook, my old adversary, they have Paul Gilbert coming in November, now that is something special and I am suitably impressed !
From Kim, Agent from hell, apparently ! (Don't believe all you read, I don't just do tribute bands !! :-))
Posted by: Kim on 12:31pm Wed 9 Jul 08
Ooops apologies for the repeat posting, blooming echo website can be a bit tetchy...
Ooops apologies for the repeat posting, blooming echo website can be a bit tetchy...
Posted by: Bambi on 12:39pm Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Kim[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Really ?[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Really ?[/bold] wrote:
Oh so it is personal...teach you to play at one time did he ?
And surely that\'s up to him, if he is content to play in his own back
yard, what the hell has it got to do with you ?
The same could be said for Le God...
I\'ve only seen Gerry play once, very accomplished and technical if you
like that sort of thing, I don\'t particularly but each to their own.
I fail to see how one man can be held responsible for holding back
Soton\'s music scene...it never had one to start with!
Perfect Alibi fan then are we ?[/quote] Heh heh, nope, that whole
covers-band scene in this town is depressingly mundane, I have nothing
to do with it. Hearing someone drag out yet another cover of \"Enter
Sandman\" isn\'t really my idea of live music. And that\'s just about
all
Gerry\'s good for. Nope, he never taught me, but from what I hear, he
doesn\'t actually do much teaching, just shows off how fast he can play
a scale with as many pinched harmonics as he can manage on every note.
Yep, I agree, very accomplished and technical, but beyond that:
nothing. An opinion shared by quite a few people who have been in The
Gerry Hearn Band(tm) over the years, too.
You\'re right, there never was much of a scene here. Largely due to the
Desperate Bicycles and the Perfect Alibis of this world, all doing the
exact same thing, and doing it so cheap, and dragging in crowds, so the
venues never really bothered wondering if there was anything more than
dodgy rock standard covers bands. He alone isn\'t responsible, I never
said that, but he played his part. Given the choice between having a
nice, safe, Gerry Hearn Band(tm) performance, bringing in the usual
crowd, and trying something new, most venues will plump for the former,
sadly. Hence, no creativity in this town. Thank god for the Joiners, is
what I say[/quote] Earlier post got deleted...I wonder why :-) Let\'s
try again
Yes the Joiners stands alone as a beacon of hope in the musical
wilderness of Southampton...
Agreed on the Perfect Alibi comment, desparately talentless with the
exception of Carly...but I can assure you, they ain\'t cheap...vastly
overpaid and underwhelming on a grand scale.
There are a number of acts that started in Southampton and have gone on
to receive European recognition and they are not cover\'s bands....
heard of Jadis ? Steve Thorne ? Galahad ? The mighty Delays ?
In essence, its the lack of good venues that are the root of the
problem, not a lack of talent or creativity which does exist, it just
has no where to demonstrate itself and yes, venues will go for the easy
sell every time...its about getting money through the door just to
survive in this econmic climate. You make the point about bands
performing cheaply, they have to pitch their fee at an affordable level
otherwise it becomes unsustainable for the venue or promoter, its just
good business sense but I take your point that it may be strangling
creativity.
[/quote] Heh heh selective censorship at work again, eh!
Yeh, you\'re right, it\'s largely down to a lack of venues that we\'re
suffering. But also, the lack of interest from fans. I\'ve felt really
embarrassed in the past, going to see gigs in this town, where hardly
anyone bothers to show up. I\'ve had at least one band tell me they\'ll
never come back here simply because nobody bothered to show up. I guess
the lack of a decent scene here is down to audience apathy as much as
anything else. But we do need a better venue. Something like the Wedge
would be good. Bigger than the Joiners, not as big as the Guildhall.
Then, maybe, we might start making it onto some decent acts\' tour
itinerary[/quote] Nice to see we agree.... we didn't on the other
board... funny how commonality can bring people together....
Guess what, I'm not really really ? Thoughts of 'Kipper' and 'Done
Like' are a million miles from my thoughts, honestly !
Anyway back to our civilised discussion, to be fair to The Brook, my
old adversary, they have Paul Gilbert coming in November, now that is
something special and I am suitably impressed !
From Kim, Agent from hell, apparently ! (Don't believe all you read, I
don't just do tribute bands !! :-))
[/quote] The reason we didn't "agree" on the other board is, you started spouting off that your job made you more qualified to talk about live music than the rest of us, which is absolute and utter rubbish, and touches a particular nerve in me. That's all it was. I'm not convinced that slagging off acts you previously represented was particularly professional, either, but that's none of my business really!
If you really want to make an impact on the local scene, you should pull some promoter muscle in and organise an all-day heavy metal event somewhere with some [italic]relatively[/italic] well-known acts on it. There's a massive market for that in this area (not just Southampton) but since there's rarely anything to our tastes here, we all end up going to Pompey, or London for gigs. If you caught Turisas at The Brook earlier this year, you'd see it was absolutely packed out, with people from all over Hampshire (and Dorset) travelling to the Brook of all places! Superb. We need more of that.
The Brook also (nearly) had Bo Diddley (R.I.P), which is pretty cool
Kim wrote:
Bambi wrote:
Really ? wrote:
Bambi wrote:
Really ? wrote:
Oh so it is personal...teach you to play at one time did he ?
And surely that\'s up to him, if he is content to play in his own back
yard, what the hell has it got to do with you ?
The same could be said for Le God...
I\'ve only seen Gerry play once, very accomplished and technical if you
like that sort of thing, I don\'t particularly but each to their own.
I fail to see how one man can be held responsible for holding back
Soton\'s music scene...it never had one to start with!
Perfect Alibi fan then are we ?
Heh heh, nope, that whole
covers-band scene in this town is depressingly mundane, I have nothing
to do with it. Hearing someone drag out yet another cover of \"Enter
Sandman\" isn\'t really my idea of live music. And that\'s just about
all
Gerry\'s good for. Nope, he never taught me, but from what I hear, he
doesn\'t actually do much teaching, just shows off how fast he can play
a scale with as many pinched harmonics as he can manage on every note.
Yep, I agree, very accomplished and technical, but beyond that:
nothing. An opinion shared by quite a few people who have been in The
Gerry Hearn Band(tm) over the years, too.
You\'re right, there never was much of a scene here. Largely due to the
Desperate Bicycles and the Perfect Alibis of this world, all doing the
exact same thing, and doing it so cheap, and dragging in crowds, so the
venues never really bothered wondering if there was anything more than
dodgy rock standard covers bands. He alone isn\'t responsible, I never
said that, but he played his part. Given the choice between having a
nice, safe, Gerry Hearn Band(tm) performance, bringing in the usual
crowd, and trying something new, most venues will plump for the former,
sadly. Hence, no creativity in this town. Thank god for the Joiners, is
what I say
Earlier post got deleted...I wonder why :-) Let\'s
try again
Yes the Joiners stands alone as a beacon of hope in the musical
wilderness of Southampton...
Agreed on the Perfect Alibi comment, desparately talentless with the
exception of Carly...but I can assure you, they ain\'t cheap...vastly
overpaid and underwhelming on a grand scale.
There are a number of acts that started in Southampton and have gone on
to receive European recognition and they are not cover\'s bands....
heard of Jadis ? Steve Thorne ? Galahad ? The mighty Delays ?
In essence, its the lack of good venues that are the root of the
problem, not a lack of talent or creativity which does exist, it just
has no where to demonstrate itself and yes, venues will go for the easy
sell every time...its about getting money through the door just to
survive in this econmic climate. You make the point about bands
performing cheaply, they have to pitch their fee at an affordable level
otherwise it becomes unsustainable for the venue or promoter, its just
good business sense but I take your point that it may be strangling
creativity.
Heh heh selective censorship at work again, eh!
Yeh, you\'re right, it\'s largely down to a lack of venues that we\'re
suffering. But also, the lack of interest from fans. I\'ve felt really
embarrassed in the past, going to see gigs in this town, where hardly
anyone bothers to show up. I\'ve had at least one band tell me they\'ll
never come back here simply because nobody bothered to show up. I guess
the lack of a decent scene here is down to audience apathy as much as
anything else. But we do need a better venue. Something like the Wedge
would be good. Bigger than the Joiners, not as big as the Guildhall.
Then, maybe, we might start making it onto some decent acts\' tour
itinerary
Nice to see we agree.... we didn't on the other
board... funny how commonality can bring people together....
Guess what, I'm not really really ? Thoughts of 'Kipper' and 'Done
Like' are a million miles from my thoughts, honestly !
Anyway back to our civilised discussion, to be fair to The Brook, my
old adversary, they have Paul Gilbert coming in November, now that is
something special and I am suitably impressed !
From Kim, Agent from hell, apparently ! (Don't believe all you read, I
don't just do tribute bands !! :-))
The reason we didn't "agree" on the other board is, you started spouting off that your job made you more qualified to talk about live music than the rest of us, which is absolute and utter rubbish, and touches a particular nerve in me. That's all it was. I'm not convinced that slagging off acts you previously represented was particularly professional, either, but that's none of my business really!
If you really want to make an impact on the local scene, you should pull some promoter muscle in and organise an all-day heavy metal event somewhere with some
relatively well-known acts on it. There's a massive market for that in this area (not just Southampton) but since there's rarely anything to our tastes here, we all end up going to Pompey, or London for gigs. If you caught Turisas at The Brook earlier this year, you'd see it was absolutely packed out, with people from all over Hampshire (and Dorset) travelling to the Brook of all places! Superb. We need more of that.
The Brook also (nearly) had Bo Diddley (R.I.P), which is pretty cool
Posted by: StEmmosFire, Southampton on 12:53pm Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Lolshire[/bold] wrote:
If i asked for money back for every crap performance i would see i would be rich. Deal with it losers.[/quote] So you would have the same amount of money now than you did have before you started going to concerts. So you have no money because you go to concerts. Typical, spending money on luxuries you can’t afford, cheers mate we are now going into a recession because of people like you!
Lolshire wrote:
If i asked for money back for every crap performance i would see i would be rich. Deal with it losers.
So you would have the same amount of money now than you did have before you started going to concerts. So you have no money because you go to concerts. Typical, spending money on luxuries you can’t afford, cheers mate we are now going into a recession because of people like you!
Posted by: Kim on 12:59pm Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Kim[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Really ?[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Really ?[/bold] wrote:
Oh so it is personal...teach you to play at one time did he ?
And surely that\'s up to him, if he is content to play in his own back
yard, what the hell has it got to do with you ?
The same could be said for Le God...
I\'ve only seen Gerry play once, very accomplished and technical if you
like that sort of thing, I don\'t particularly but each to their own.
I fail to see how one man can be held responsible for holding back
Soton\'s music scene...it never had one to start with!
Perfect Alibi fan then are we ?[/quote] Heh heh, nope, that whole
covers-band scene in this town is depressingly mundane, I have nothing
to do with it. Hearing someone drag out yet another cover of \"Enter
Sandman\" isn\'t really my idea of live music. And that\'s just about
all
Gerry\'s good for. Nope, he never taught me, but from what I hear, he
doesn\'t actually do much teaching, just shows off how fast he can play
a scale with as many pinched harmonics as he can manage on every note.
Yep, I agree, very accomplished and technical, but beyond that:
nothing. An opinion shared by quite a few people who have been in The
Gerry Hearn Band(tm) over the years, too.
You\'re right, there never was much of a scene here. Largely due to the
Desperate Bicycles and the Perfect Alibis of this world, all doing the
exact same thing, and doing it so cheap, and dragging in crowds, so the
venues never really bothered wondering if there was anything more than
dodgy rock standard covers bands. He alone isn\'t responsible, I never
said that, but he played his part. Given the choice between having a
nice, safe, Gerry Hearn Band(tm) performance, bringing in the usual
crowd, and trying something new, most venues will plump for the former,
sadly. Hence, no creativity in this town. Thank god for the Joiners, is
what I say[/quote] Earlier post got deleted...I wonder why :-) Let\'s
try again
Yes the Joiners stands alone as a beacon of hope in the musical
wilderness of Southampton...
Agreed on the Perfect Alibi comment, desparately talentless with the
exception of Carly...but I can assure you, they ain\'t cheap...vastly
overpaid and underwhelming on a grand scale.
There are a number of acts that started in Southampton and have gone on
to receive European recognition and they are not cover\'s bands....
heard of Jadis ? Steve Thorne ? Galahad ? The mighty Delays ?
In essence, its the lack of good venues that are the root of the
problem, not a lack of talent or creativity which does exist, it just
has no where to demonstrate itself and yes, venues will go for the easy
sell every time...its about getting money through the door just to
survive in this econmic climate. You make the point about bands
performing cheaply, they have to pitch their fee at an affordable level
otherwise it becomes unsustainable for the venue or promoter, its just
good business sense but I take your point that it may be strangling
creativity.
[/quote] Heh heh selective censorship at work again, eh!
Yeh, you\'re right, it\'s largely down to a lack of venues that we\'re
suffering. But also, the lack of interest from fans. I\'ve felt really
embarrassed in the past, going to see gigs in this town, where hardly
anyone bothers to show up. I\'ve had at least one band tell me they\'ll
never come back here simply because nobody bothered to show up. I guess
the lack of a decent scene here is down to audience apathy as much as
anything else. But we do need a better venue. Something like the Wedge
would be good. Bigger than the Joiners, not as big as the Guildhall.
Then, maybe, we might start making it onto some decent acts\' tour
itinerary[/quote] Nice to see we agree.... we didn't on the other
board... funny how commonality can bring people together....
Guess what, I'm not really really ? Thoughts of 'Kipper' and 'Done
Like' are a million miles from my thoughts, honestly !
Anyway back to our civilised discussion, to be fair to The Brook, my
old adversary, they have Paul Gilbert coming in November, now that is
something special and I am suitably impressed !
From Kim, Agent from hell, apparently ! (Don't believe all you read, I
don't just do tribute bands !! :-))
[/quote] The reason we didn't "agree" on the other board is, you started spouting off that your job made you more qualified to talk about live music than the rest of us, which is absolute and utter rubbish, and touches a particular nerve in me. That's all it was. I'm not convinced that slagging off acts you previously represented was particularly professional, either, but that's none of my business really!
If you really want to make an impact on the local scene, you should pull some promoter muscle in and organise an all-day heavy metal event somewhere with some [italic]relatively[/italic] well-known acts on it. There's a massive market for that in this area (not just Southampton) but since there's rarely anything to our tastes here, we all end up going to Pompey, or London for gigs. If you caught Turisas at The Brook earlier this year, you'd see it was absolutely packed out, with people from all over Hampshire (and Dorset) travelling to the Brook of all places! Superb. We need more of that.
The Brook also (nearly) had Bo Diddley (R.I.P), which is pretty cool[/quote] All noted and partly agreed.. however I didn't slag off Mr T, that was someone else but he has a bee in his bonnet and decided to take it out on my business, which is thriving... I am entitled to defend myself which I will do at all costs.
And umm, did you not give Mr Hearn a bit of an earclipping ?
Again heavy metal not my thing, but I know the Firehouse does put on some HM originals, again I think support is patchy, partly due to apathy or possibly lack of marketing..hard to say which and I am not pointing fingers.
All I know is, having promoted myself for the past 5 years, it can be bloody hard work to attract an audience that isn't mainstream, and call me a coward, not willing to take a risk or whatever, but I am finding that mainstream is paying and paying well.
Promoting on the scale you suggest is hugely costly, and the logistics in organising such an event are largely prohibitive to someone like me. Have you seen the furore regarding the Zoo8 festival in Kent ? That's the reason I don't do large scale.
But, as you say, there is a market for bands such as Turisas, they just need other places hawk their wares other than The Brook which does seem to be going down the rock route.
There are other places to find this genre of music, I don't think I need to tell you as you know your stuff, but the Hog Rallys are pretty good for promoting this sort of stuff....I'm sure my business partner is playing there this year, I'll have to check !
I am at the other end of the spectrum and have found a niche that works. The venues I work with are packed...we do what we do to entertain the masses rather than the minority.
So are you going to Paul Gilbert then ? If so, I'll buy you a pint !
Bambi wrote:
Kim wrote:
Bambi wrote:
Really ? wrote:
Bambi wrote:
Really ? wrote:
Oh so it is personal...teach you to play at one time did he ?
And surely that\'s up to him, if he is content to play in his own back
yard, what the hell has it got to do with you ?
The same could be said for Le God...
I\'ve only seen Gerry play once, very accomplished and technical if you
like that sort of thing, I don\'t particularly but each to their own.
I fail to see how one man can be held responsible for holding back
Soton\'s music scene...it never had one to start with!
Perfect Alibi fan then are we ?
Heh heh, nope, that whole
covers-band scene in this town is depressingly mundane, I have nothing
to do with it. Hearing someone drag out yet another cover of \"Enter
Sandman\" isn\'t really my idea of live music. And that\'s just about
all
Gerry\'s good for. Nope, he never taught me, but from what I hear, he
doesn\'t actually do much teaching, just shows off how fast he can play
a scale with as many pinched harmonics as he can manage on every note.
Yep, I agree, very accomplished and technical, but beyond that:
nothing. An opinion shared by quite a few people who have been in The
Gerry Hearn Band(tm) over the years, too.
You\'re right, there never was much of a scene here. Largely due to the
Desperate Bicycles and the Perfect Alibis of this world, all doing the
exact same thing, and doing it so cheap, and dragging in crowds, so the
venues never really bothered wondering if there was anything more than
dodgy rock standard covers bands. He alone isn\'t responsible, I never
said that, but he played his part. Given the choice between having a
nice, safe, Gerry Hearn Band(tm) performance, bringing in the usual
crowd, and trying something new, most venues will plump for the former,
sadly. Hence, no creativity in this town. Thank god for the Joiners, is
what I say
Earlier post got deleted...I wonder why :-) Let\'s
try again
Yes the Joiners stands alone as a beacon of hope in the musical
wilderness of Southampton...
Agreed on the Perfect Alibi comment, desparately talentless with the
exception of Carly...but I can assure you, they ain\'t cheap...vastly
overpaid and underwhelming on a grand scale.
There are a number of acts that started in Southampton and have gone on
to receive European recognition and they are not cover\'s bands....
heard of Jadis ? Steve Thorne ? Galahad ? The mighty Delays ?
In essence, its the lack of good venues that are the root of the
problem, not a lack of talent or creativity which does exist, it just
has no where to demonstrate itself and yes, venues will go for the easy
sell every time...its about getting money through the door just to
survive in this econmic climate. You make the point about bands
performing cheaply, they have to pitch their fee at an affordable level
otherwise it becomes unsustainable for the venue or promoter, its just
good business sense but I take your point that it may be strangling
creativity.
Heh heh selective censorship at work again, eh!
Yeh, you\'re right, it\'s largely down to a lack of venues that we\'re
suffering. But also, the lack of interest from fans. I\'ve felt really
embarrassed in the past, going to see gigs in this town, where hardly
anyone bothers to show up. I\'ve had at least one band tell me they\'ll
never come back here simply because nobody bothered to show up. I guess
the lack of a decent scene here is down to audience apathy as much as
anything else. But we do need a better venue. Something like the Wedge
would be good. Bigger than the Joiners, not as big as the Guildhall.
Then, maybe, we might start making it onto some decent acts\' tour
itinerary
Nice to see we agree.... we didn't on the other
board... funny how commonality can bring people together....
Guess what, I'm not really really ? Thoughts of 'Kipper' and 'Done
Like' are a million miles from my thoughts, honestly !
Anyway back to our civilised discussion, to be fair to The Brook, my
old adversary, they have Paul Gilbert coming in November, now that is
something special and I am suitably impressed !
From Kim, Agent from hell, apparently ! (Don't believe all you read, I
don't just do tribute bands !! :-))
The reason we didn't "agree" on the other board is, you started spouting off that your job made you more qualified to talk about live music than the rest of us, which is absolute and utter rubbish, and touches a particular nerve in me. That's all it was. I'm not convinced that slagging off acts you previously represented was particularly professional, either, but that's none of my business really!
If you really want to make an impact on the local scene, you should pull some promoter muscle in and organise an all-day heavy metal event somewhere with some relatively well-known acts on it. There's a massive market for that in this area (not just Southampton) but since there's rarely anything to our tastes here, we all end up going to Pompey, or London for gigs. If you caught Turisas at The Brook earlier this year, you'd see it was absolutely packed out, with people from all over Hampshire (and Dorset) travelling to the Brook of all places! Superb. We need more of that.
The Brook also (nearly) had Bo Diddley (R.I.P), which is pretty cool
All noted and partly agreed.. however I didn't slag off Mr T, that was someone else but he has a bee in his bonnet and decided to take it out on my business, which is thriving... I am entitled to defend myself which I will do at all costs.
And umm, did you not give Mr Hearn a bit of an earclipping ?
Again heavy metal not my thing, but I know the Firehouse does put on some HM originals, again I think support is patchy, partly due to apathy or possibly lack of marketing..hard to say which and I am not pointing fingers.
All I know is, having promoted myself for the past 5 years, it can be bloody hard work to attract an audience that isn't mainstream, and call me a coward, not willing to take a risk or whatever, but I am finding that mainstream is paying and paying well.
Promoting on the scale you suggest is hugely costly, and the logistics in organising such an event are largely prohibitive to someone like me. Have you seen the furore regarding the Zoo8 festival in Kent ? That's the reason I don't do large scale.
But, as you say, there is a market for bands such as Turisas, they just need other places hawk their wares other than The Brook which does seem to be going down the rock route.
There are other places to find this genre of music, I don't think I need to tell you as you know your stuff, but the Hog Rallys are pretty good for promoting this sort of stuff....I'm sure my business partner is playing there this year, I'll have to check !
I am at the other end of the spectrum and have found a niche that works. The venues I work with are packed...we do what we do to entertain the masses rather than the minority.
So are you going to Paul Gilbert then ? If so, I'll buy you a pint !
Posted by: Kim on 1:05pm Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Kim[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Really ?[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Really ?[/bold] wrote:
Oh so it is personal...teach you to play at one time did he ?
And surely that\'s up to him, if he is content to play in his own back
yard, what the hell has it got to do with you ?
The same could be said for Le God...
I\'ve only seen Gerry play once, very accomplished and technical if you
like that sort of thing, I don\'t particularly but each to their own.
I fail to see how one man can be held responsible for holding back
Soton\'s music scene...it never had one to start with!
Perfect Alibi fan then are we ?[/quote] Heh heh, nope, that whole
covers-band scene in this town is depressingly mundane, I have nothing
to do with it. Hearing someone drag out yet another cover of \"Enter
Sandman\" isn\'t really my idea of live music. And that\'s just about
all
Gerry\'s good for. Nope, he never taught me, but from what I hear, he
doesn\'t actually do much teaching, just shows off how fast he can play
a scale with as many pinched harmonics as he can manage on every note.
Yep, I agree, very accomplished and technical, but beyond that:
nothing. An opinion shared by quite a few people who have been in The
Gerry Hearn Band(tm) over the years, too.
You\'re right, there never was much of a scene here. Largely due to the
Desperate Bicycles and the Perfect Alibis of this world, all doing the
exact same thing, and doing it so cheap, and dragging in crowds, so the
venues never really bothered wondering if there was anything more than
dodgy rock standard covers bands. He alone isn\'t responsible, I never
said that, but he played his part. Given the choice between having a
nice, safe, Gerry Hearn Band(tm) performance, bringing in the usual
crowd, and trying something new, most venues will plump for the former,
sadly. Hence, no creativity in this town. Thank god for the Joiners, is
what I say[/quote] Earlier post got deleted...I wonder why :-) Let\'s
try again
Yes the Joiners stands alone as a beacon of hope in the musical
wilderness of Southampton...
Agreed on the Perfect Alibi comment, desparately talentless with the
exception of Carly...but I can assure you, they ain\'t cheap...vastly
overpaid and underwhelming on a grand scale.
There are a number of acts that started in Southampton and have gone on
to receive European recognition and they are not cover\'s bands....
heard of Jadis ? Steve Thorne ? Galahad ? The mighty Delays ?
In essence, its the lack of good venues that are the root of the
problem, not a lack of talent or creativity which does exist, it just
has no where to demonstrate itself and yes, venues will go for the easy
sell every time...its about getting money through the door just to
survive in this econmic climate. You make the point about bands
performing cheaply, they have to pitch their fee at an affordable level
otherwise it becomes unsustainable for the venue or promoter, its just
good business sense but I take your point that it may be strangling
creativity.
[/quote] Heh heh selective censorship at work again, eh!
Yeh, you\'re right, it\'s largely down to a lack of venues that we\'re
suffering. But also, the lack of interest from fans. I\'ve felt really
embarrassed in the past, going to see gigs in this town, where hardly
anyone bothers to show up. I\'ve had at least one band tell me they\'ll
never come back here simply because nobody bothered to show up. I guess
the lack of a decent scene here is down to audience apathy as much as
anything else. But we do need a better venue. Something like the Wedge
would be good. Bigger than the Joiners, not as big as the Guildhall.
Then, maybe, we might start making it onto some decent acts\' tour
itinerary[/quote] Nice to see we agree.... we didn't on the other
board... funny how commonality can bring people together....
Guess what, I'm not really really ? Thoughts of 'Kipper' and 'Done
Like' are a million miles from my thoughts, honestly !
Anyway back to our civilised discussion, to be fair to The Brook, my
old adversary, they have Paul Gilbert coming in November, now that is
something special and I am suitably impressed !
From Kim, Agent from hell, apparently ! (Don't believe all you read, I
don't just do tribute bands !! :-))
[/quote] The reason we didn't "agree" on the other board is, you started spouting off that your job made you more qualified to talk about live music than the rest of us, which is absolute and utter rubbish, and touches a particular nerve in me. That's all it was. I'm not convinced that slagging off acts you previously represented was particularly professional, either, but that's none of my business really!
If you really want to make an impact on the local scene, you should pull some promoter muscle in and organise an all-day heavy metal event somewhere with some [italic]relatively[/italic] well-known acts on it. There's a massive market for that in this area (not just Southampton) but since there's rarely anything to our tastes here, we all end up going to Pompey, or London for gigs. If you caught Turisas at The Brook earlier this year, you'd see it was absolutely packed out, with people from all over Hampshire (and Dorset) travelling to the Brook of all places! Superb. We need more of that.
The Brook also (nearly) had Bo Diddley (R.I.P), which is pretty cool[/quote] All noted and partly agreed.. however I didn't slag off Mr T, that was someone else but he has a bee in his bonnet and decided to take it out on me personally by making physical threats which is thriving... I am entitled to defend myself which I will do at all costs.
And umm, did you not give Mr Hearn a bit of an earclipping ?
Again heavy metal not my thing, but I know the Firehouse does put on some HM originals, again I think support is patchy, partly due to apathy or possibly lack of marketing..hard to say which and I am not pointing fingers.
All I know is, having promoted myself for the past 5 years, it can be bloody hard work to attract an audience that isn't mainstream, and call me a coward, not willing to take a risk or whatever, but I am finding that mainstream is paying and paying well.
Promoting on the scale you suggest is hugely costly, and the logistics in organising such an event are largely prohibitive to someone like me. Have you seen the furore regarding the Zoo8 festival in Kent ? That's the reason I don't do large scale.
But, as you say, there is a market for bands such as Turisas, they just need other places hawk their wares other than The Brook which does seem to be going down the rock route.
There are other places to find this genre of music, I don't think I need to tell you as you know your stuff, but the Hog Rallys are pretty good for promoting this sort of stuff....I'm sure my business partner is playing there this year, I'll have to check !
I am at the other end of the spectrum and have found a niche that works. The venues I work with are packed...we do what we do to entertain the masses rather than the minority.
So are you going to Paul Gilbert then ? If so, I'll buy you a pint !
Bambi wrote:
Kim wrote:
Bambi wrote:
Really ? wrote:
Bambi wrote:
Really ? wrote:
Oh so it is personal...teach you to play at one time did he ?
And surely that\'s up to him, if he is content to play in his own back
yard, what the hell has it got to do with you ?
The same could be said for Le God...
I\'ve only seen Gerry play once, very accomplished and technical if you
like that sort of thing, I don\'t particularly but each to their own.
I fail to see how one man can be held responsible for holding back
Soton\'s music scene...it never had one to start with!
Perfect Alibi fan then are we ?
Heh heh, nope, that whole
covers-band scene in this town is depressingly mundane, I have nothing
to do with it. Hearing someone drag out yet another cover of \"Enter
Sandman\" isn\'t really my idea of live music. And that\'s just about
all
Gerry\'s good for. Nope, he never taught me, but from what I hear, he
doesn\'t actually do much teaching, just shows off how fast he can play
a scale with as many pinched harmonics as he can manage on every note.
Yep, I agree, very accomplished and technical, but beyond that:
nothing. An opinion shared by quite a few people who have been in The
Gerry Hearn Band(tm) over the years, too.
You\'re right, there never was much of a scene here. Largely due to the
Desperate Bicycles and the Perfect Alibis of this world, all doing the
exact same thing, and doing it so cheap, and dragging in crowds, so the
venues never really bothered wondering if there was anything more than
dodgy rock standard covers bands. He alone isn\'t responsible, I never
said that, but he played his part. Given the choice between having a
nice, safe, Gerry Hearn Band(tm) performance, bringing in the usual
crowd, and trying something new, most venues will plump for the former,
sadly. Hence, no creativity in this town. Thank god for the Joiners, is
what I say
Earlier post got deleted...I wonder why :-) Let\'s
try again
Yes the Joiners stands alone as a beacon of hope in the musical
wilderness of Southampton...
Agreed on the Perfect Alibi comment, desparately talentless with the
exception of Carly...but I can assure you, they ain\'t cheap...vastly
overpaid and underwhelming on a grand scale.
There are a number of acts that started in Southampton and have gone on
to receive European recognition and they are not cover\'s bands....
heard of Jadis ? Steve Thorne ? Galahad ? The mighty Delays ?
In essence, its the lack of good venues that are the root of the
problem, not a lack of talent or creativity which does exist, it just
has no where to demonstrate itself and yes, venues will go for the easy
sell every time...its about getting money through the door just to
survive in this econmic climate. You make the point about bands
performing cheaply, they have to pitch their fee at an affordable level
otherwise it becomes unsustainable for the venue or promoter, its just
good business sense but I take your point that it may be strangling
creativity.
Heh heh selective censorship at work again, eh!
Yeh, you\'re right, it\'s largely down to a lack of venues that we\'re
suffering. But also, the lack of interest from fans. I\'ve felt really
embarrassed in the past, going to see gigs in this town, where hardly
anyone bothers to show up. I\'ve had at least one band tell me they\'ll
never come back here simply because nobody bothered to show up. I guess
the lack of a decent scene here is down to audience apathy as much as
anything else. But we do need a better venue. Something like the Wedge
would be good. Bigger than the Joiners, not as big as the Guildhall.
Then, maybe, we might start making it onto some decent acts\' tour
itinerary
Nice to see we agree.... we didn't on the other
board... funny how commonality can bring people together....
Guess what, I'm not really really ? Thoughts of 'Kipper' and 'Done
Like' are a million miles from my thoughts, honestly !
Anyway back to our civilised discussion, to be fair to The Brook, my
old adversary, they have Paul Gilbert coming in November, now that is
something special and I am suitably impressed !
From Kim, Agent from hell, apparently ! (Don't believe all you read, I
don't just do tribute bands !! :-))
The reason we didn't "agree" on the other board is, you started spouting off that your job made you more qualified to talk about live music than the rest of us, which is absolute and utter rubbish, and touches a particular nerve in me. That's all it was. I'm not convinced that slagging off acts you previously represented was particularly professional, either, but that's none of my business really!
If you really want to make an impact on the local scene, you should pull some promoter muscle in and organise an all-day heavy metal event somewhere with some relatively well-known acts on it. There's a massive market for that in this area (not just Southampton) but since there's rarely anything to our tastes here, we all end up going to Pompey, or London for gigs. If you caught Turisas at The Brook earlier this year, you'd see it was absolutely packed out, with people from all over Hampshire (and Dorset) travelling to the Brook of all places! Superb. We need more of that.
The Brook also (nearly) had Bo Diddley (R.I.P), which is pretty cool
All noted and partly agreed.. however I didn't slag off Mr T, that was someone else but he has a bee in his bonnet and decided to take it out on me personally by making physical threats which is thriving... I am entitled to defend myself which I will do at all costs.
And umm, did you not give Mr Hearn a bit of an earclipping ?
Again heavy metal not my thing, but I know the Firehouse does put on some HM originals, again I think support is patchy, partly due to apathy or possibly lack of marketing..hard to say which and I am not pointing fingers.
All I know is, having promoted myself for the past 5 years, it can be bloody hard work to attract an audience that isn't mainstream, and call me a coward, not willing to take a risk or whatever, but I am finding that mainstream is paying and paying well.
Promoting on the scale you suggest is hugely costly, and the logistics in organising such an event are largely prohibitive to someone like me. Have you seen the furore regarding the Zoo8 festival in Kent ? That's the reason I don't do large scale.
But, as you say, there is a market for bands such as Turisas, they just need other places hawk their wares other than The Brook which does seem to be going down the rock route.
There are other places to find this genre of music, I don't think I need to tell you as you know your stuff, but the Hog Rallys are pretty good for promoting this sort of stuff....I'm sure my business partner is playing there this year, I'll have to check !
I am at the other end of the spectrum and have found a niche that works. The venues I work with are packed...we do what we do to entertain the masses rather than the minority.
So are you going to Paul Gilbert then ? If so, I'll buy you a pint !
Posted by: Bambi on 1:08pm Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]StEmmosFire[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Lolshire[/bold] wrote:
If i asked for money back for every crap performance i would see i
would be rich. Deal with it losers.[/quote] So you would have the same
amount of money now than you did have before you started going to
concerts. So you have no money because you go to concerts. Typical,
spending money on luxuries you can’t afford, cheers mate we are now
going into a recession because of people like you![/quote] Rubbish logic. Where does it say he can't afford it? Couldn't think your way out of a paper bag, matey
StEmmosFire wrote:
Lolshire wrote:
If i asked for money back for every crap performance i would see i
would be rich. Deal with it losers.
So you would have the same
amount of money now than you did have before you started going to
concerts. So you have no money because you go to concerts. Typical,
spending money on luxuries you can’t afford, cheers mate we are now
going into a recession because of people like you!
Rubbish logic. Where does it say he can't afford it? Couldn't think your way out of a paper bag, matey
Posted by: Kim on 1:18pm Wed 9 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Kim[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Really ?[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Really ?[/bold] wrote:
Oh so it is personal...teach you to play at one time did he ?
And surely that\'s up to him, if he is content to play in his own back
yard, what the hell has it got to do with you ?
The same could be said for Le God...
I\'ve only seen Gerry play once, very accomplished and technical if you
like that sort of thing, I don\'t particularly but each to their own.
I fail to see how one man can be held responsible for holding back
Soton\'s music scene...it never had one to start with!
Perfect Alibi fan then are we ?[/quote] Heh heh, nope, that whole
covers-band scene in this town is depressingly mundane, I have nothing
to do with it. Hearing someone drag out yet another cover of \"Enter
Sandman\" isn\'t really my idea of live music. And that\'s just about
all
Gerry\'s good for. Nope, he never taught me, but from what I hear, he
doesn\'t actually do much teaching, just shows off how fast he can play
a scale with as many pinched harmonics as he can manage on every note.
Yep, I agree, very accomplished and technical, but beyond that:
nothing. An opinion shared by quite a few people who have been in The
Gerry Hearn Band(tm) over the years, too.
You\'re right, there never was much of a scene here. Largely due to the
Desperate Bicycles and the Perfect Alibis of this world, all doing the
exact same thing, and doing it so cheap, and dragging in crowds, so the
venues never really bothered wondering if there was anything more than
dodgy rock standard covers bands. He alone isn\'t responsible, I never
said that, but he played his part. Given the choice between having a
nice, safe, Gerry Hearn Band(tm) performance, bringing in the usual
crowd, and trying something new, most venues will plump for the former,
sadly. Hence, no creativity in this town. Thank god for the Joiners, is
what I say[/quote] Earlier post got deleted...I wonder why :-) Let\'s
try again
Yes the Joiners stands alone as a beacon of hope in the musical
wilderness of Southampton...
Agreed on the Perfect Alibi comment, desparately talentless with the
exception of Carly...but I can assure you, they ain\'t cheap...vastly
overpaid and underwhelming on a grand scale.
There are a number of acts that started in Southampton and have gone on
to receive European recognition and they are not cover\'s bands....
heard of Jadis ? Steve Thorne ? Galahad ? The mighty Delays ?
In essence, its the lack of good venues that are the root of the
problem, not a lack of talent or creativity which does exist, it just
has no where to demonstrate itself and yes, venues will go for the easy
sell every time...its about getting money through the door just to
survive in this econmic climate. You make the point about bands
performing cheaply, they have to pitch their fee at an affordable level
otherwise it becomes unsustainable for the venue or promoter, its just
good business sense but I take your point that it may be strangling
creativity.
[/quote] Heh heh selective censorship at work again, eh!
Yeh, you\'re right, it\'s largely down to a lack of venues that we\'re
suffering. But also, the lack of interest from fans. I\'ve felt really
embarrassed in the past, going to see gigs in this town, where hardly
anyone bothers to show up. I\'ve had at least one band tell me they\'ll
never come back here simply because nobody bothered to show up. I guess
the lack of a decent scene here is down to audience apathy as much as
anything else. But we do need a better venue. Something like the Wedge
would be good. Bigger than the Joiners, not as big as the Guildhall.
Then, maybe, we might start making it onto some decent acts\' tour
itinerary[/quote] Nice to see we agree.... we didn't on the other
board... funny how commonality can bring people together....
Guess what, I'm not really really ? Thoughts of 'Kipper' and 'Done
Like' are a million miles from my thoughts, honestly !
Anyway back to our civilised discussion, to be fair to The Brook, my
old adversary, they have Paul Gilbert coming in November, now that is
something special and I am suitably impressed !
From Kim, Agent from hell, apparently ! (Don't believe all you read, I
don't just do tribute bands !! :-))
[/quote] The reason we didn't "agree" on the other board is, you started spouting off that your job made you more qualified to talk about live music than the rest of us, which is absolute and utter rubbish, and touches a particular nerve in me. That's all it was. I'm not convinced that slagging off acts you previously represented was particularly professional, either, but that's none of my business really!
If you really want to make an impact on the local scene, you should pull some promoter muscle in and organise an all-day heavy metal event somewhere with some [italic]relatively[/italic] well-known acts on it. There's a massive market for that in this area (not just Southampton) but since there's rarely anything to our tastes here, we all end up going to Pompey, or London for gigs. If you caught Turisas at The Brook earlier this year, you'd see it was absolutely packed out, with people from all over Hampshire (and Dorset) travelling to the Brook of all places! Superb. We need more of that.
The Brook also (nearly) had Bo Diddley (R.I.P), which is pretty cool[/quote] All noted and partly agreed.. however I didn't slag off Mr T, that was someone else but he has a bee in his bonnet and decided to take it out on my business which is thriving... and me personally by making threats... I am entitled to defend myself which I will do at all costs.
And umm, did you not give Mr Hearn a bit of an earclipping ?
Again heavy metal not my thing, but I know the Firehouse does put on some HM originals, again I think support is patchy, partly due to apathy or possibly lack of marketing..hard to say which and I am not pointing fingers.
All I know is, having promoted myself for the past 5 years, it can be bloody hard work to attract an audience that isn't mainstream, and call me a coward, not willing to take a risk or whatever, but I am finding that mainstream is paying and paying well.
Promoting on the scale you suggest is hugely costly, and the logistics in organising such an event are largely prohibitive to someone like me. The risk far outweighs the financial benefit. Have you seen the furore regarding the Zoo8 festival in Kent ? That's the reason I don't do large sca
